Be consistent. This is not—this fringe idea of the war has never ended since , what nonsense. He would have had to have the authority of Lord Goldsmith to prosecute. So, Lord Goldsmith decides to prosecute Katharine Gun.
Lord Goldsmith must have said—I mean, I imagine. I wish I could have written that scene. I would love to know. Some journalist needs to go and have a hardcore interview with Lord Goldsmith. You authorized her prosecution. The law requires you to. They called for your documents.
And the case was dropped. So, you are there standing alone in the dock. Plead out. Maybe there will be sympathy. You know, I felt vindicated. I felt that I had done the morally right thing to do. AMY GOODMAN : The horror of what you did not succeed in preventing, though, which was the deaths of so many in Iraq, and that continues today, but you certainly touched the conscience of not just the nation, but the world, in what you did, talking about what woman—what one woman could do.
I wanted to go to the making of the film—Keira Knightley, did you meet with her? And, of course, I was sitting in the restaurant waiting for her to come in, and I had no idea what to expect. And that was it. You know, I felt totally at ease in her company. And so, we talked about motherhood and all sorts of things, but I was just so impressed with how intelligent she was and how incisive she was in getting to the crux of the matter.
And really, you know, she had so many questions for me, and she really genuinely wanted to know about the whole situation. But jokes aside, the reason she said to me—the reason I constantly find myself going—. And all we were focused on was what might it felt like in this moment to have been Katharine.
That was in this moment, moment by moment, as the story evolves, what would it feel like if you were in her shoes. In a way, President Trump has been a gift for the previous president, George W.
Bush, because it has really rehabilitated his reputation. You have the U. You have the Iraq War continuing today, 16 years after George W. Bush, knowing there were not weapons of mass destruction, invades Iraq with Britain. I think. Your question about now, this is all terribly relevant. I mean, the pack of cards has gone from Afghanistan to Iraq to Syria. The implosion continues. Indeed, your point about Bush is right. And the situation, the toxic abomination of Brexit in our country, has sort of rehabilitated Blair in a sort of bizarre way.
The difference, I think, is that here—and your program and your viewers are testimony to this—you have an opposition. It is loud, clear, confident, creative, interesting.
White bread, white Trump, white, or this America, the one of every color, creed? Now, what we were doing when we were breaking this story was we were attempting to show that our governments had lied to us.
And that mattered, because, for all their faults, it seems to me that Tony Blair and George Bush understood that if they were caught out in a lie, that was a problem for them. They knew the difference between truth, lies and propaganda. They may have chosen to push those boundaries, but they did know the difference, and they knew that it mattered if they were caught.
It just means that the job is even more difficult than it was before. This is Democracy Now! To see Part 1 of our discussion, go to democracynow. The film, Official Secrets , comes out officially at the end of August. Independent news has never been so important.
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